To the delight of a packed room of…ebullient fans, Eric Kripke announced that, instead of just showing a bunch of clips, he’d reward everyone’s enthusiasm and dedication by showing the rough cut of the first five minutes of the season four’s Supernatural premiere. And what a five minutes it was.
Because I don’t want to spoil it for anyone, I just give you a tease about what we saw – it’s no mystery that Dean was coming back but the surprise is in where he is when he does and the impression that it left.
Moderating the panel was Alynda Wheat who did a good job at trying to keep everything on track. Jared Padalecki, at what I believe is his first Comic Con, joined repeat attendees Jensen Ackles, creator Eric Kripke, Executive Producer/Writer Ben Edlund and Executive Story Editor/Writer Sera Gamble (or, as I like to call her “The Queen of Writers”). And, ever the gentleman, when Sera comes to take her seat, Jensen pulls her chair out for her. But not in that whole “make you fall to the floor” way.
Highlights:
- Everyone’s really excited about what’s coming up this season with Sera saying this is probably the strongest mythology they’ve had since the first season.
- Eric on Jeffrey Dean Morgan aka Pappa John Winchester returning: “On a show like Supernatural, no one’s dead forever. It’s just a matter of schedule.”
- Speaking of dead characters returning, folks like Gordon, Bela and Ruby “can come back at any time,” says Sera. “But not many,” adds Eric.
- The Writers Strike affected this show just like all the others. When asked what storylines were impacted, Eric says that the really important ones (like Momma Winchester and her mysterious past experiences with demons) are going to be at the forefront of Season 4.
- Eric was asked yet again about the show going beyond his previously stated Five Season Vow. The probability of that is slim to none, heavy on the none. He’d rather go out on top, on a strong note because the very last thing he’d want to do is jump the shark. “I don’t want Hawaiian weddings and [cute little] Raven-Symone [stunt casting].”
- Ben’s favorite episode that he wrote this past season is “Ghostfacers” which the audience cheered for (except for one guy). Eric had suggested they call them the “Boys In Boo,” which he admitted was terrible and was glad Ben shot it down. He added that, when Ben pitched the episode, the fact that he had already written the entire “Ghostfacers” theme song and sang it is what sold him on it.
- Right after Ben says “If the fish sings…” and trails off into laughter. Eric explains that Ben’s been trying to pitch an episode with a wish-granting fish for the past two years and it never happens. He likens the repeated failed attempts to Charles Manson going up for parole. “It was going to be a Koi this time,” Ben adds.
- Eric admits he wrote “love interest” into new character Kristy’s description to mess with the fans since they get so ticked whenever the subject comes up and it amuses him.
- When asked about the great music for the show by a fan, Eric states that he hates generic soundtracks and wanted Classic Rock partly because he doesn’t listen to anything made after 1983 and partly because it fits the tone of the show. He believes he wrote “you can take your anemic — Pop and shove it up your ass” in the script for the pilot.
- In the middle of the Q&A session, the panel was crashed by the aforementioned Ghostfacers. A.J. Buckley and Travis Wester was in character as Ed Zeddmore and Harry Spangler respectively along with Brittany Ishibashi, who was filming and in character as Maggie, Ed’s adpoted sister. They were asking “Dean and Sam” what they were up to and why the “weird aliases” and generally running amok until they were quasi-kicked off by Jensen. After they left, Eric expressed relief that the bit played so well because it could’ve “really sucked.”
- Regarding singing Bon Jovi on the show: Eric actually wrote that Jensen had to sing off-key because the scene wouldn’t have played well without that. “Jensen’s a really good singer, Jered sucks out loud.” Repeated requests for singing from the audience were not fulfilled and eventually slapped down by Ben.
- When asked by a fan if Sam’s powers/abilites were going to be developed, Eric said no but there was a hint of shadiness to that no.
- Someone asked for Jensen’s placecard in a somewhat creepy manner. Jensen, taking it in stride, said no because “Jared has dibs on it.”
- Plans for more cult figure guest stars, especially Bruce Campbell? Eric says they ask him every season but, since he’s filming Burn Notice in Miami, the availability hasn’t worked out. However, Mitch Peleggi (The X-Files, Stargate Atlantis) will guest in the time travel episode as Sam and Dean’s grandfather.
- The character of Bela didn’t work out as well as she should’ve in Eric estimation and he takes responsibility for it. He believes they did a disservice to Lauren Cohan, who is a great actress, and, if they were to do it again, they’d have made her part of the mythology more.
Ghostfacers invade….
I also had the opportunity to interview the panelists beforehand and found out a couple interesting things including that they’ve written an episode for this season in which a town has a wishing well that actually grants those that are made. There may or may not be a 7-foot-tall talking teddy bear.
Dude, Sera’s not the Queen of anything. She’s a mediorcre erotica writer. And Edlund’s just as bad – he seems to think Supernatural is his own dweeby comic book to play with (Ghostfacers is his favorite? Really, the lowest rated, least liked episode of the entire series?)
It’s too late for the mythology. They let this show go haywire for 2 seasons and made the same mistakes over and over and over again. Even if they turn it around this season, it’s too late.
Hey Alex, if you hate the show so much why still follow anything about it. Be on your way and done with it.
Seriously Sera and Ben are excellent writers.
I hate annoying fans who think their own shi* don’t stink…
Hee. Thanks so much for this! A 7-foot-tall Teddy Bear? Really? Oh i love this show!
I thought the Ghost Facers episode was actually pretty good – I don’t know why people thought it was so terrible. I found it hilarious and it was creatively done. So it didn’t extensively show the brothers’ relationship…does it matter? It wasn’t meant to.
Anyway, Ben and Sera are awesome writers – always my fave episodes.
They haven’t made mistakes over and over again. I have to admit I didn’t like Bella that much but this season was kick a**! So stick that in your pipe and smoke it! I love Sera Gamble I think she’s awesome. And the Ghostfacers episode was great. Even though the video camera deal made me a bit queasy.
It’s “mediocre” and I concur with Alex. Sera Gamble is a terrible writer, at least on this show. She has ruined it and so has Mr. Edlund, but most of all Kripke himself, as a show runner, well he sucks at plotting, story arcs, continuity and most of all lying to his ‘adoring’ fans. They never learn from their mistakes and they don’t have a proven track record of improving this season.
I’ve gotta go with Dana – Kripke track record sucks. This show has gotten progressively worse every season. He had a great thing in season 1, and he has totally dismantled it with crappy writing, huge plot holes, and a total lack of continuity. He took a great, simple story about two brothers and their “family business,” and turned it into a convoluted, cliche, dumb mess of kitchsy writing and clunky apocalyptic good versus evil “storytelling.” I feel like I’m watching Buffy, not Supernatural. And that’s not a good thing.
I think Sera’s a pretty good writer but she really needs to have someone co-writing her episodes with her. She did best when working with Raelle (sp?) back in S1. Mainly because I think Sera has a habit of getting a little too soapy and cliche when she doesn’t have someone there to pull her back on some of those moments. I believe she was the writer for the Kids are Alright and I thought it was a creepy episode but the character of Ben was a huge annoying cliche to me. I didn’t really care for how she wrote the interaction between Madison and Sam back in S2’s Heart either. She’s a little too into the romance idea for me. Edlund is also pretty good when he wants to be. My only real problem with Ghostfacers was the lack of serious Dean and Sam time which was a little too much when we were just coming off having no episodes after the strike.
Love seeing a glimpse of the boys together. Hee, Jared has dibs on Jensen’s placecard. (Yeah it’s Jared, not Jered).
Then why do you people continue to watch it? I mean if you hate the show so much just stop watching it and ruining it for everyone else.
God this fandom is annoying and stupid, they don’t like character growth they want everything to stay the same.
Eric lies to the fandom because they freak out about everything. Because most in this fandom are stupid.
Enough – everyone has a right to their opinion. If mine is ruining things for you, instead of namecalling I would suggest you grow a thicker skin.
Well, I for one have loved this show from the very first episode. Yes there have been a few that didn’t rock my world, but hey… nobody’s perfect right?
For those of you haters out there… why don’t you run along and try a kiddie show like Reaper that might be more your style.
Kripke and his entire crew are awesome!
Im gonna have to go with Alex on this one. Sara is ok when she has a cowriter to override her faults, but Ben is a moron. Pretty much everything that the fans have complained about can be traced back to him.
The worst part is that because he wrote for Angel (a show wo was known for boring MOTW, grey morality, long convoluted arcs, and cheesy humor: the exact opposite of this show) Kripke gives the guy a long leash to rewrite continuity a he sees fit.
The only reason we complan is becuase we love the show so much and want to see it be what we know it can be, and what we have seen it be in season 1.
“The Queen of Writers” LMAO!!!
I agree that Sera has written some of my favorite episodes. I also agree that she can let her romance erotica tendencies get in the way of a great episode if she is not restrained.
I really wish that Eric and all the writers would go back and watch the special features they did for the Season 1 DVD, and rewatch the Paley Festival panel they did (which was included in Season 1 at Best Buy). They will see how far their current comments stray from what they say about how the show is conceptualized and produced and written.
I hated Bela with a passion and I’m glad she’s gone but I do NOT trust Sera not to try and squeeze her into Dean’s arms in some ridiculous plotline no matter what. I loved many other female characters, like Ellen; and I’m not a young twit who is jealous of females on show whether they’re love interests or not. I’d love to see Sarah Blakely and Lisa back as interests for Sam and Dean.
This is such a great show with so many wonderful aspects to it, and I’m so glad that Kripke and crew got it on the air. They (and the awesome Jensen and Jared) have made me care about what happens to Dean and Sam, and that is the mark of a good story, whether it’s on TV or in a book. It’s why I get bothered when they do it a disservice with the sloppy character development like Bela.
As for the 5 year plan, I say that unless they go for at least 6 seasons, we’ll really only get 4 1/2 because of the writer’s strike. So, they can give us 4 1/2 or 5 1/2. I think we deserve 5 1/2.
Thanks for the info.
i wish i could have gone myself. I’m glad the people on here who say they hate the show didn’t go to the panel. They would have embarrassed the whole fandom. If you don’t like the direction of the show like someone said, then take a hike. All the negativity is stifling. Fact of life is, not everyone will agree on anything. The problem is, it’s only those small percent that voices their opinion the loudest.
I do agree that continuity is one of the problems they need to fix. All this can be said in a civilized manner instead of childish name-calling and insult.
I happen to think the show rocks and Jensen and Jared do an amazing job portraying their characters regardless of the script they are given!!
Love sera and ben they are great writers, and ya they have writen some i love and others that i just was not into. You cant please everyone but hey i think they have done one hell of a job so far. I dont understand why people come on here and bash the show or the writers, if you dont like the show then dont watch it and just shut up. well as for the writers Keep them coming guys and i will be there watching.
Thanks for the Comic Con panel details!
I think Raelle Tucker had alot to do with some of the best episodes of season 1 and 2, but I’m not going to comment further on what folks think about Sera Gamble or Ben Edlund’s contributions.
At the end of the day it’s all on Eric Kripke as to what we ultimately see on screen.
The fans are so passionate because they love the show. For some folks, Kripke’s track record is uneven. I have more faith based on how Season 3 finished up that Season 4 will live up to my high expectations.
I hope Kripke does show us something new in Season 4. Both Jensen Ackles and Jared Padalacki are up to whatever acting challenges the Show comes up with, so Show, don’t let us down. Blow our minds, please!
I totally agree with rosewood and bestshowfan on everything you guys said. Season 4 announces to be one heck of a ride, and all the cast and crew of the show know that they have to make sure to give out their best because of how “powerful” the fandom is. Because of the lack of publicity this show gets the only way the show is known is by the fans. So I don’t really worry about season four; I’ve read some of the season spoilers and it sounds to be like the greatest season yet!!!
I did like season one but I’ve gotta be honest (and this is MY point of view) when I say that season 2 and 3 were the best yet. I love the whole family business with evil, and after watching a few episodes in a row of only hunting and nothing else going around it makes you wonder where the story is heading… so that’s why I think it was best to find some kind of other storyline than only hunting urban legends across the country… Now they have their own storyline, and they are still chasing evil in between!
So anyways I cannot wait to see what happens next… and I do wish we could see maybe a 6th season, but if Kripke thinks that 5 is enough, than I’ll go with his decision because after all he IS the Master!!!! 😀
Waiting anxiously for season 4!!!!!!
Okay well… my rant time yay!!
As a fellow screen play writer, I look up to Sera Gamble and Ben Edlund. They are amazing at writing, realistic, not annoying dialogue. The show still has a chance with mythology, ghost facers also had mixed reviews. As a Fourth-wall junkie I thought it was genius.
I think that the writers, and especially Eric get more flack then they deserve. It’s like taking Batman and saying “Go be superman.. oh you can’t fly. Kiss my ass” well come on. Everyone knows Batman can’t fly.
In comparison to shows like Buffy, Angel, Charmed, and Roswell; Supernatural totalled that genre and created its own. Its amazing, it does wha Firefly could have done with more engaging characters. And that was taking two genres and mixing them, hell, making them believable and running with it.
This show deserves the comicon panel and deserves everything that it gets as far as praise. But I think that they all take way more flack then they deserve.
~Bri
this is a smart show; one of the smartest on tv today. Eric says his fans are smart, but i’m not so sure i believe it…
Enough is right, that the fans don’t want character growth. they want the same formula that worked in S1 and 2. they don’t want girls on the show, they don’t want an outside network. they want just the boys and the impala.
but that’s not what this show is about anymore. there’s a whole network of hunters out there. there’s not-so-moral people out there; there’s people who might take advantage of Dean and Sam’s naivete (yes, they are naive in some things; John did keep them sheltered)
i love this show, and i’ve loved all the characters (with one exception, but hey, no one’s perfect), and i’m buckled up for this next roller coaster ride Eric sends us on!
I have watched Supernatural since Sept.13th,2005…and in the first season only one episode seemed out of place…that was ”BUGS”. In season 2 ”No Exit”, was the bad seed…and that became Jo’s story. Season 3 however to me was Hell. Rubella arrived and it left a chill among many fans. Some episodes were way off base. Red Sky Morning was Bela’s story and I really didn’t care. Bedtime story was a bad trip to nowhere land. The Writer’s strike cut us to 16 minus 6 epies. I just hope 4 is a better number?
I love Supernatural and Sera and Kripke totally rock! I love Jo, Ruby, Bela, and I love Ghostfacers (GF). I think GF was poorly timed because it came right after a big break. We were starved for some Winchester action and the show did not feature either one of them, so many fans were disappointed. I think that if it was played in the middle of a normal season, it would have been able to give the boys a bit of a break and it also would have been more widely appreciated.
Many of the vocal critics of Kripke and Sera feel that Season #1 was the best season and that the show has declined since then; I happen to disagree thoroughly. Now, I absolutely loved Season #1, but there are only about 4 episodes that I watch over and over again. Season #2 was way better in my opinion. Then, season #3 just about blew my mind and except for the lack of music and missing episodes, it may have come close to knocking Season #2 out of the top spot. Come on Season #3 had Mystery Spot, Bad Day at Black Rock, Jus in Bello, Fresh Blood, and the nerve racking No Rest for the Wicked. The only episode I wasn’t fond of in all of Season #3 was Bedtime Stories and I didn’t mind that episode. Another episode people complain about is Red Sky at Morning, and that one was hilarious in my opinion. I think all of the Seasons have been incredible and the show just keeps getting better! Go Kripke!
Thanks for the report; I can’t wait for season 4 to start!!! For me, season one was the best season overall, but season 2 had more episodes that I really enjoyed, and season 3 was my least favourite season, so I’m hoping that S4 can combine all the best aspects of one and two and avoid the pitfalls of three.
Sera Gamble is a hit or miss for me; I used to love her writing, especially when she was partnered with Raelle Tucker (who I do think is a superior writer, who is much missed), but she got REALLY uneven in S3 for me. The Kids are Alrght was just terrible and Fresh Blood, while it had a few good scenes, had plot holes that you could drive a truck through. She seemed to start to get her groove back with Jus In Bello, and she completely nailed it with Time is On My Side, so I’m hoping she can keep that kind of quality up.
As for Edlund, I’ve enjoyed all of his episodes (but he hasn’t been able to top Nightshifter, yet), but I can’t his idea of ALL demons use to be human. Right now, I’m hoping he’ll just stick to writing episodes and not trying to influence the mythology of the show. On the other hand, I LOVED Ghostfacers, and am hoping that it does get picked up for webisodes.
I Love Supernatural.
Go Supernatural.
We complain, and whine, and bitch not because we hate the show but because we care enough to see it at its best. This is a genre fandom who nitpicks the details so if there are plot holes, we will notice. Kripke is very good and very creative, but has a tendency to drop big stories because he gets bored of them (like the psychic kids). And I’m NOT a jealous fangirl who has a problem with females on SN, only ones badly written and cast which so far have been Jo, Ruby & Bela — good riddance to all three. Others have been great such as Meg, Sarah, Ellen, Ava, Carmen, Lisa… to name a few.
Sera used to be on a pedestal for me, but she was best when partnered with Raelle. Ben was best with Nightshifter, but the rest have just been middle of the road episodes, not bad, not great, just there. GF was just wrong-place, wrong-time coming back from the long strike.
Season 1 was best as it set the tone and presented what we fell in love with: the brothers, the classic rock, on a road trip hunting demons while battling their internal ones. S2 continued to build upon it, but didn’t lose ground except for the Roadhouse which was taken care of. S3 was just plain painful with the incursion of the T&A with Ruby, the nice demon in a body which couldn’t act and Bela in a character that wasn’t meant to be past one episode suddenly inserted where she didn’t belong.
Rewatching episodes, S1 gets 90% playback, S2 gets 80%, but S3 gets 20% with the rest only getting selected scenes here and there. Here’s hoping that S4 goes back to that magic of the success we originally fell in love with.
When a show starts out as amazing as Supernatural was in seasons one and two, it attracts intelligent and loyal fans. When it starts screwing with itself, those fans see that and, because they loved the show and the characters, and know it’s potential for greatness, it makes them disappointed and angry. That those fans do not simply turn the channel, delete their bookmarks and turn off their Google alerts just proves the excellence of the original product. The fans who are disappointed in season three, but continue to watch, follow the developments, read press releases, interviews and transcripts, and participate in fandom, truly appreciate the richness and complexity of Sam and Dean Winchester, and the incredible performances of Jared and Jensen. Both the characters and the actors deserve a higher caliber of material than they’ve had this season. So don’t try to simplify our emotion to ‘Hater, go away,!’ We were here in the beginning, and we’ll be here in the end. We just hope the show will find it’s way again so that the end will be a fitting one. One that rivals the beginning.
If you truly liked season 2 better than 1, and season 3 even better than that, you might not want to admit it so readily. You’re preferring the cheaper, ‘wider-appeal’ version.
Eric Kripke had an interesting and (for television) quite original concept with great characters. The WB was smart enough to team him with Robert Singer, who made it an interesting, original idea with compelling and emotionally true characters. And they launched season 1. Which turned out to be very expensive, but a ratings winner within the low ratings expectations of the WB roster.
Then the CW took over. The CW liked that the show was one of the highest rated on the network, but they wanted to make a cheaper show which would appeal to a wider audience. An audience like say, their ratings winner “America’s Next Top Model”. One way to make it cheaper was to build a standing set, instead of having to build all of these brand new sets every week. Thus the roadhouse was born. Which completely ruined the idea put forth in the first season that hunting was a very secret, very solitary existence, just a few good guys against immense numbers and varieties of bad guys. The CW (read Dawn Ostroff) didn’t care, and had another ‘suggestion’. They thought the audience might be getting confused with so many new characters every week, how about putting in some recurring characters. Some females and maybe a quirky sidekick type. And maybe a love interest for one of the leads? That resulted in Ellen, Ash and Jo. The fans did not respond well to this.
But the ratings stayed okay. So for season 3, Ostroff, who never liked, nor even understood the show, (which was a main reason that Sam had to make Dean promise to kill him if he went evil every other episode because Ostroff thought the audience might ‘forget’ a plot arc which spanned an entire season) decided it would be good to keep going cheaper and dumber. Add two regular female characters, grrl power all the way to maybe grab some of the Pussycat Dolls audience. Drop the music budget and the time consuming, and therefore expensive, shadowy lighting. Make the motel rooms more generic and put more ‘romance’ in the show. And that’s how Supernatural got saddled with Bela, Ruby, the Madison storyline, the Lisa storyline, Dean having to pretend to be married to Bela, Sam having a sex fantasy about Bela, all things that Ostroff could relate to. And that she thought the America’s Top Model audience might like. But not anything having to do with the original concept for Supernatural.
I’m sorry but you aren’t really getting character growth, except where the writers can squeeze it in. What you ARE getting is character change, but not aimed at making the characters better or actually having anything to do with the characters at all. It’s aimed at making Supernatural more appealing to a reality tv audience, and cheaper to produce, and that’s it.
For right now, some SN fans are so frustrating and whine about everything that I just stick to watching the show and try to avoid any SN messageboards. I use to enjoy going online and chatting with fans but now, all I hear is complaining so for my own peace of mind, I just watch the show. To all the intelligient SN fans out there, keep watching the show! Leave the pathetic whiners to rot in hell!
Walls_Talking
Great post and I feel you’ve hit what the problem has been since the CW took over. Dawn O had little imagination, it seems, understanding shows that don’t have sex in them. SN is a smart show, great concept and original plots. By the middle of S2 and 1st half of S3, we saw a decline in quality, ideas and originality. The latter 1/2 of S3 started getting back into the meat of the show and ended with a bang. I have a lot of hope that S4 will continue on that same venue and give us a top quality show that we were used to.
You certainly are correct, growth is one thing, and it is always welcome. Change for the worse is not growth, but stagnation disguised as “new and improved.”
Here’s to hoping for a great S4 to satisfy all of us, including the naysayers.
THIS IS WHY I HATE ERIC KRIPKE:
“Eric admits he wrote “love interest” into new character Kristy’s description to mess with the fans since they get so ticked whenever the subject comes up and it amuses him.”
The man thinks he’s some sort of big thing, but he’s nothing more than a little man that keeps killing his own show.
Instead of writing good stories he mock his own fans?
Of course he’s having fun making the bad fans sad, and the deangilrs/good fans are safe and happy.
Too bad the show lost many fans and the ratings are painfully low.
Well, you know what Kripke?
Screw you.
I just wish Padalecki or Ackles hit him in the head and took over the show.
God knows this show needs new writers, with Kripke&Gamble in charge it’s now just a bad soap opera.
And nice to show a preview of season 4 with just Dean in it.
So Deanshow, lots of bimbos and sex and crappy writing.
Nothing new.
The poster Rachel wrote perfectly what the problem is:
(He took a great, simple story about two brothers and their “family business,” and turned it into a convoluted, cliche, dumb mess of kitchsy writing and clunky apocalyptic good versus evil “storytelling.” I feel like I’m watching Buffy, not Supernatural. And that’s not a good thing.)
That’s what Kripke did, plus the various hot chicks kicking ass/love interests and he still thinks he’s right because there are the robot fans that love Dean and don’t care about anything else.
But the show was not about a boy named Dean and his girls, it was about two brothers, who loved each other, and would do anything for each other. Now every season it’s the same crap, Sam and Dean bond will be tense, Sam and Dean will fight, yadda yadda.
That’s why the show went downhill. The viewers at home, the one that count, loved the brothers dynamic and close relationship.
They don’t care about Dean and Sam having sex with random girls and being cold with each other.
That’s why the ratings are low. That’s why no one watches Supernatural anymore.
And to all the people here saying, “why you keep watching if you don’t like it”.
Some of us still watch in the hope to see something of the old Sam&Dean relationship, many of us don’t watch anymore but are still pissed.
Pissed that Kripke begged us to save his show in season two and then shit on us with bella, ruby and the boys separated all the time.
I don’t care what anyone says I like Supernatural the way it is. I can’t wait to find out how the new characters fit in. I am looking forward to what is going to happen to both of the boys. I don’t actually favor one over the other, so both their storylines appeal to me. I like that the series has the ability to bring back their guest stars even after killing them off. This remains one of my favorite series currently on television.
Well, it does seem like the Sam fans are on a roll. Good to know that the show should only be about SuperSam with the SuperPowers in order for it to be the Great And Exciting Show! The Best Evaaa, because of SuperSam. Oh wait, we have Smallville, Heroes, Buffy, Angel and other superbeings. How does that make Sam so very special?
The show is about two brothers, deal with it.
Hate is a very strong word to use. It’s not logical to hate someone you don’t even know, or wish for them to be hit over the head. Good grief. Supernatural is a wonderful show, but it IS just that; a TV show.
I’ve stated my opinions about aspects of the show; that’s just a critique. Authors, artists, actors, composers — they all face public opinion about their presentations. Some reviews are good; some are not.
But I do think that most of us don’t face what Kripke and others like him face — rudely delivered diatribes about their creative efforts. I can say I don’t like something, but it makes no sense whatsoever to stoop to personal attacks. It’s rude and accomplishes nothing except to reflect badly on the person doing it. Eric’s only human, too; and I’m sure it’s hard to read some of the things viewers spew out. I can see how he would be motivated to get in a jab or two himself.
So — hate Bela? I sure did. Hate Eric? What a silly notion.
After listening to Eric Kripke and the others on the panel for Supernatural,
I will be watching the show to see how things come out. It seemed to me that Eric has a sense of humor; he makes jokes throughout the panel discussion about alot of things. It is too bad a few of you who make nasty comments about Eric, the writers and the show don’t have one yourselves. Eric readily admitted at the panel that he thinks they could have done a better job on several aspects of the show and if he could do it again he would make changes. Eric, the writers, and the cast don’t have the final word on everything that is done with the show. There are alot of factors which dictate how a final episode of a show comes out.
Not all of the episodes are to my liking. After I watch an episode that I didn’t think I liked more than once, I find there are things in it I do like or that I missed the first time around.
If those who don’t like how the show is going, I suggest you write your own premise for a show, hit the pavement and sell your idea to the networks yourself. Stop whining about this show which has its own creator, writers and cast, and create your own to suit you. If you can’t, then either enjoy the one that is presented or stop watching. Continuing to watch a show that makes you unhappy doesn’t make much sense. You should find a sow you can like or do something else with your time.
As far as the show goes, the number of fans at Comiccon for this panel seems to support the show as being something a large number of fans do want to watch. The lines to get into the room for this were long and people waited for hours to get in. The signing at the Warner Bros booth afterwards was so large that I couldn’t get through the crowd. It disrupted the flow of traffic on the floor and was an entirely crazy scene. The panelists who signed autographs were very good about the whole thing which cannot be an easy thing to handle. I am very glad the panelists came; it made my day. I certainly had a good time.
I love Supernatural and wish it would go beyond 5 seasons.
I thought Ghostfacers was very clever and a nice homage to the real Ghost Hunters on SciFi.
I think everyone associated with making this show is wonderful.
I bow to their creativity knowing most of us have never created anything beyond these posted comments.
Whatever – you’re so right. When I heard about the opening of S4 i Decided not to watch anymore. Not oly has the Deangirls made this the Ackles show (not even the Dean-show because their Dean has turned into a GaryStu).
The Deangirls are happy just to see Ackles on screen, they don’t give a damn about the plotholes Kripke is serving these days.
I hope JP gets a new show, he’s so worth it and the Deangirls can keep Ackles on their show plotholes and all. And opening full of plotholes do not bode well for a show
Too bad a good show got overridden by screaming fangirls wanting their goodlooking GaryStu and nothing else. And to get that they keep calling Kripke a genius and Kripke obviosuly loves egostroking. He gives a damn about quality tthat much is obvious by now. So good riddance SPN. deangirls, you got what you wanted a ‘hater’ is leaving.
The myth-arc is dead and a new one, with Dean in the lead is born. How long will Kripke be interested in that one before he drops it and starts another new one?
My god, so many opinions and conflicts between fans.
To start off my own opinion, I have to say I think the only episode I’ve ever NOT watched twice was the Christmas episode.
Not because I didn’t like it, but simply because the fingernail thing disgusts me. haha. I think they could’ve done a better job with portraying the boys as kids, but the general idea of it was great.
Finally, a holiday for the Winchester boys! 🙂
I do have to say, though, that the greatest episode of S3 was No Rest For The Wicked.
I don’t think a lot of people really expected Dean to die; that they expected him to get saved somehow and I liked that they ended it on such an event, unlike last season with Sam’s death. [Despite the pathetic fact that I had nightmares about him dying several nights after. And not because it was scary – because it totally wasn’t. Simply, just beccause he did infact DIE.]
And now I think my rant’s gone on long enough.
I’ve got better things to do than confuse you all with my nonsense.
So I’m off to update my SPN stories.
SEASON 4, EXCEED OUR EXPECTATIONS PLEASE!
I love Supernatural but I will not be buying Season 3 on DVD. Bela really, truly ruined it for me. I wish the CW would stop interferring with this show. Everything the network wants sucks – Bela, brighter lighting, no rock music, tits and ass. . . We are witnessing a network ruin a fantastic show.
I think people are slightly confused by the direction of this season and what they opening 5 minutes is doing.
They aren’t refocusing the show on person, they’re refocusing the show on the brothers and their relationship. Each have been changed in the four months since Dean’s death – Sam’s been on his own and Dean just came back from the dead. Once they reunite, they’ll have to rebuild everything and deal with their separate experiences.
As for the opening, um…you have to open with Dean returning to life because that’s the big question from last season. It would be way worse, to me, if you just ended it with Dean showing up at Sam’s hotel room like nothing happened or if you dragged it out a few episodes. Just get it out of the way asap so you can see the boys together.
Kripke and Gamble remind me of late seasons’ “Buffy” Whedon and Noxon and that is NOT a good thing. I’d hate to see SN go the way of Buffy S6 and 7. Rubella was deeply painful this past season and Kripke/Gamble don’t seem to have learned their lesson. Lauren Cohan a “great” actress? Right… And Gamble the “Queen of Writers”. Damn, I can name dozens of fan fic writers who are much better than her. I liked S1, S2 and am fine with a lot of mythology and some new characters, provided they are good and fit in with the show. But don’t give me anti-continuity, i.e. “All demons used to be humans”. That reminds me of the anti-continuity Buffy unfortunatley became famous for. (Demons became floppy-eared, cuddle-monkeys). Just the pretty – Jensen and Jared’s pretty faces and great bodies – is nowhere near enough for this girl. Hopefully, S4 will get back to what originally made the show strong and unique.
You know what makes me very very sad,the way kripke and co. seem to be playing with this show. Jensen ackles was on every message board for the past 2 months that concerned the emmys and people constantly said this guy should have made the shortlist because “HE IS THAT TALENTED”. You know what shut down their praise every time on these websites. People said the show wasnt that well written. And I am sorry I have to agree. Kripke better get it together in season 4 or they wont be comparing him to Whedon anymore. And I like Jared too. But you guys know he is not as talented as Jensen.
Point of Clarification That I Foolishly Thought Was Unneeded: Sera Gamble is the Executive Story Editor. That makes her the “Queen of Writers”.
“Point of Clarification That I Foolishly Thought Was Unneeded: Sera Gamble is the Executive Story Editor. That makes her the “Queen of Writers”.”
Tamara, while I’m very grateful for your clarifying what you mean, I’m saddened that you felt you had to. IMO, if you think that Sera is the figuratively the “Queen of Writers” then you shouldn’t feel like you should have to defend that opinion to anyone. Like others have been saying, everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion (as long as it is stated repectfully).
Once again thanks for the reports, and hope to hear what you think of the premier in the fall!
OMG!!! You all are crazy!! Half of u keep complaining like u hate the show, but keep watching and the other half act like it is a sin to to point out problems or complaints about the show!! Supernatural is right up there with Lost on my excietment level each week for the next expisode! That doesn’t mean i think it is perfect or every has been (yes i included the first season)! Here my opinion:
The first season was simple, fun, and straight up amazing! We all loved just the Sam/Dean brother duo in the impala and the classic rock(and man i miss Jeffery Dean Morgan) but it is still a drama and dramas have continuing story line aka the mythology, if we didn’t have it we would have bitched things didn’t make sense! And so we go into season 2 which i loved to, but here the promblems started, the writing wasn’t horrible as some claim, the highs were higher and the lows were lower, story lines would start and then disappear, reappear and then make no logical sense, and this continued thought 2 and into 3! We would get great episodes of the boys together and then rushed plot to add to a story arc that was falling apart! I hated bella but not as some of u seem to just hate women on the show period! As long as u don’t take away from the core of there dynamic and screen time i don’t care if they add a woman, s*** u seem like u want them gay (as much a i want Dean to be) they arent!
Season 2 and 3 had there faults but they continued with some great episodes and moments!! I think it isn’t to late for the mythology if included consistantly, and personaly think it needs to be! High hopes for season 4, get back to BASICS: DEAN AND SAM, while expanding the mythology, and bring back the DAMN MUSIC its my favorite part!! Side note, screw all haters of Buffy and Angel beside the end of there runs, some of the best damn television ever!!!
Immie, I only felt I need to clarify because it seemed people are being overly mean about her in reaction to what I wrote. I have an immense respect for her and all the other very talented writers on the show and I’d hate to think something that was assumed from one of my incomplete thoughts would be the cause such hostility.
I, too, am saddened that people choose to express themselves disrespectfully but that’s the nature of the beast unfortunately.
Hi! I’m new here and there are some things I need to get out of my chest, before anything:
For me,Bela Sucked, I didn’t like her. Ruby, I like better. But I don’t want Kripke and the writers to add a love interest for any of the boys (Sam or Dean), because I thing that will divert from what, for me, should be the the center of the series: the relationship between two brothers, part of a disfunctional family, and how they found one another. (by the way, I love and miss Jeffrey Dean),
What I did not like too much of season 3 finale is that, after a GREAT Sam’s death scene on Season 2, (Jensen’s performance of Dean’s greaving Sam’s death was so touching, I still cry), which is pretty long, Dean’s death was at the very end of the last episode of Season 3 and we can only see Sam’s crying for, how much, 3 seconds?. Dean deserves more than that, after all he has done for Sam and all the love and caring he feels for him.
That’s why I hoped that the first episode of Season 4 start when Season 3 finished.
I want to know and see what Sam does with his brother’s body, and how much it affected him. And, wasn’t Bobby with the boys in that house? What was his reaction when he found them?
Ah! and, Kripke, If the show remains as succesful as it is (which, of course, will happens)I surely and certainly expect more than 5 seasons!!! Pleasssseeeeee!!
Sorry for the lenght of my catarsis!
Tamara- You really didn’t have to go out and defend yourself, for your choice of wording. If people didn’t like it then that’s their problem.
I an disgusted as a fan, at the behavior of some of you people. You treated the writer of this article with disrespect and felt you needed to self hate Sera and Ben on here. Instead of thanking Tamara for the great article she posted.
You all should be ashamed of yourselves. Pathetic, just pathetic.
If your not gonna watch because of the first few minutes, then that’s up to you. But you are being immature selfish brats.
Sam and Dean are going to be the main focus of the story line. There is no Dean and no Sam story line. But I guess some people don’t understand that concept.
Again Tamara I am sorry for the way some people here behaved. I do apologize on behalf of the fandom.
So only people who agreed that they love Sera’s writing were supposed to respond to this article?
When you write something that people don’t agree with, you have to expect that they will respond with their opinions. It does a disservice to all those here who posted very intelligent, coherent thoughts on the subject to label everyone on here who disagreed “disrespectful.” A number of people very calmly explained that they thought she was hit or miss as a writer, and needed a co-writer. What is wrong with that?
And for the record, the only people being truly nasty and name calling in the comments were Enough and another poster complaining about “whiners” who should get lost. Those who were actually “whining” weren’t attacking other fans like that. But of course, that sort of behavior is just fine and doesn’t get called out at all. It’s the people who disagreed with the article who got slammed. Thanks for that.
You win – next time you post something, I won’t read it, or comment on it.
So only people who agreed that they love Sera’s writing were supposed to respond to this article?
When you write something that people don’t agree with, you have to expect that they will respond with their opinions. It does a disservice to all those here who posted very intelligent, coherent thoughts on the subject to label everyone on here who disagreed “disrespectful.” A number of people very calmly explained that they thought she was hit or miss as a writer, and needed a co-writer. What is wrong with that?
And for the record, the only people being truly nasty and name calling in the comments were Enough and another poster complaining about “whiners” who should get lost. Those who were actually “whining” weren’t attacking other fans like that. But of course, that sort of behavior is just fine and doesn’t get called out at all. It’s the people who disagreed with the article who got slammed. Thanks for that.
You win, Tamara – next time you post something, I won’t read it, or comment on it.
I thought the episode Ghost Facers was hilarious…i was great to see supernatural come back after six long weeks with a laugh. And about Sera Gamble…yeah she can go on with the romance stuff but it adds a good effect most of the time….don’t Sam and Dean need romance in their lives? but yeah, the finale was amazing, though deans death scene does need more length…and i hope it goes longer than 5 seasons!!!! PLEASE ERIC??? PLEASE? How about a little longer? but yeah, can’t wait for season 4…
Hmmm, after having read diverse reports and spoilers about S4, I’m inclined to agree that the show has changed drastically. The show will now focus on how Dean got out of hell, but at the same time were assured that Dean will still remain his charming self. Yes, I agree, he is being Gary Stued big time. Dean has already undergone very little character development, and what has been there has been for the worse. That is in fact the mark of a Stuish character, worthy of a soap but not SN the brothers will be estranged and this is no longer a show about brothers. I also agree that this has become the Dean show. If only his character did develop Id say nothing, but there has been no such thing. He’s still the perfect brother, and he is starting to annoy me.
Can the new nytharc: the story of how Dean got out of hell hold my interest for the entire season? No way. There better be some growth of the character if I’m to watch this at all. One lead series tend to get boring fast since there’s just so much you can tell from on POV.
Ghostfacers is probably becoming a spin-off so Kripke is using the current audience to check out new opportunities. That means that his heart is o longer with SN, which is obvious.
Kripke has catered to the most vocal fans – my guess is that he will regret this at some point. It’s not the fangirls that hold this show afloat – if the show’s premise is drastically changed, people will tune out.
I’ll give this a try, if it truly becomes the Dean show then I’m out because the character alone isn’t interesting enough for me to waste time on it.
Kripke has now revealed that there is o central mytharc at all, he changes is according to the online community’s wishes. That’s why the quality is hopelessly uneven. People who started out watching a new, interesting show are now served a re-heated soap. No woder people are pissed off!
And the poeple here that are so keen on name calling while telling others they are being idiots and childish? Got a mirror at home? Then use it.
Enough, thank you for the kind words. I do appreciate it but when I write about a show that’s very popular, I kind of expect that things will get…lively so it’s all good.
Rachel, you’re totally misunderstanding me. If you or anyone else doesn’t like Sera’s writing, that’s cool. Everyone’s entitled to their own opinions and voicing them. Hell, that’s pretty much my job here. Comment to your heart’s content. And I know that not everyone’s been overly negative or harsh – clearly I’m not talking about them. Honestly, I like a good debate. I like hearing why people feel the way they do about things.
All I’m saying is that I don’t like feeling that someone’s getting attacked based on people misconstruing something I said. That’s it. If you feel like that’s cause to stop reading anything I post, hey, that’s your prerogative.
All well and good. I personally dont give two whether it’s Sera or Ben or Eric or even the whole damn writing team.All I know is that they have to up their game because I am tired of finally convincing people to watch the show and after tearing them from Lost or Grey’s or any other show that is showing at the time. They now watch a crappy scene like the second to the last episode of season 3 when Dean says “who holds my contract!”to that demon he is torturing and the channel gets changed. who writes this crap, after all the effort I put in to get people to watch this show. I think all these writers plus Kripke owe us more. The actors are the only reason i still tune in because at least they still try their best. My father said even Buffy was better written.
First off, I’ve been a die hard fan since the beginning. I will agree though, that the show a slipped a little, but come on-relating it to Buffy and Angel…It’s not like Dean and Sam have gone up against any giant bugs yet, so the show still has a great potential…Give Eric a little more credit.
First off, I’ve been a die hard fan since the beginning. I will agree though, that the show a slipped a little, but come on-relating it to Buffy and Angel…It’s not like Dean and Sam have gone up against any giant bugs yet, so the show still has a great potential…Give Eric a little more credit.
Honest to god The Sam fans this season are looking so visous and bitter it is distasteful and why I can never be part of that fanbase. I am so sick of the whinning and complaining because Jensen and Dean gets some focas for once because Sam and Jared has gotten alot and last time I checked Kristy the supposed Love Intrest was for Sam not Dean as well as Sam’s new sidekick Ruby so please do not place the show going downhill on Dean and I find it rich the hypociosy of complaining about Dean getting some much deserved attention when you seem to want the show to be all about Sam and Jared. Jensen and Dean cannot ever win and I hope you do leave because you brand of fandom makes me embarred to be assositated with it.
Wow…. A lot of harsh words here…. Thank you first for a wonderful article. I love to read news about the boys, Kripke and SP. Together they are magnificent! It is ok to feel strongly about something, but I am a bit surprised, in lack of a better word, due to some of the posts here.
Sam has had main focus through the seasons, there is no doubt about that.. Why the big complaining now that Dean is included.. This is a two-stars-show!
I love the way Jensen portrays Dean. He is extremely talented and gives life to a very complex character in a magnificent way!! And Dean has gone through a lot of changes and development, Elise. There is no denying that. From being the perfect son who never questioned his father, he is now painfully aware of his fathers shortcomings. His relationship with Sam is changing, his life, which was fully centered about hunting as lifestyle, – well we have seen there are more to him than hunting.
It is a complex show, with complex characters. The writers do a wonderful job and gives both actors chance to shine! We don`t need to bash JA or JP to make the other look good. They are both doing an excellent job. We just happens to be Dean-girls or Sam-girls. Lets show respect for both actors and the writers for the terrific job they are doing!
Jensen Ackles rocks, he is a great actor and deserves the recognition he is getting in form a participating in the mytharc.
The writers, actors and Kripke are all doing wonderfully well with the show! I love SP. I am a Dean-girl, due to Jensens terrific acting, but I appreciate JP as Sam as well.
As for the shows low rating as someone commented.. My response is ????
Good article. Thank you for posting!! Thank you also to the writers and Kripke who have created a terrific show. Thank you also to Jensen Ackles and Jared P who have both given their best in the show.
Thank you for posting this article about my favourite actor, Jensen Ackles. Keep up the good work Jensen, I will see you in season 4 and MBV.
Good article! Nice to read about SP, the only show I watch on TV. 🙂 The writers, Kripke and the wonderfully talented JA and JP – a big hurray!! 🙂
Brilliant! I love to read SP stuff. Jensen stuff too. Puts a smile on my face 🙂 :).
I watch the show for Sam /Jared he is my emotional connection to the show and no Jensen isnt better just gets the better writing and his fans oh he is so awesome he could walk on water crap..
But this show is and should be about both brothers and this is not Jensens fault at all but this show is seriously in danger of becoming Deanatural and Eric needs to sort it out and get his act together before it does , I love Sam but think alot of Dean to and I want to see show that is about 2 brothers , both who matter and both deal with their demons together or apart but as equal leads and characters on this show..
People generally find things they both like and dislike about their favorite shows, and there is nothing wrong with pointing out what seem to be faults. Overt bashing is not helpful, true, but not every negative or ‘neutral’ opinion is bashing the show or anything else simply because it isn’t positive.
This was a general article about the show, and in that vein, I’d like to say that much of Sam’s fan base has been bullied off of general SPN forums and have been forced to retreat into safer online areas. Or Sam fans lurk and don’t speak, because they get ganged up on for defending Sam. If Sam fans persist, then they are labeled Bad Sam Fans. I just wanted to place some of the Samfan bashing on here in context.
I think the writers do both good and bad work, and so does Kripke. The problem with bad writing is that it will hurt everything else down the line on a show. If a writer isn’t up to snuff, ignoring it won’t help the show. By season 3, both Jared and Jensen were basically working above much of their material. What does that mean? It’s time for the material to get better, for both brothers.
Fans of both Sam and Dean have their problems with the show, and both boys have room for improvement in how they are treated by the writers. Dean fans have a right to say what they like, which they usually do. I don’t begrudge them their complaints.
Since season 2, however, a lot of Sam fans have felt increasing pangs of Sam being sidelined at almost every level. His storyline always seems to be the one safe to blow off or ignore. Poor Jared has to cope with such wispy characterisation for Sam, and I feel bad that he’s had to tolerate that lack of attention on Sam’s character for so long. He is a fine, quality actor who keeps growing into his craft. He deserved better in season 2, and yes, I hope he finally receives better from the writers in season 4. He’s earned it, and he’s earned it with less fanfare and writerly attention than Jensen gets. To me, Sam will always be this show’s abandoned and neglected child. Forgive me for wanting to protect him from Kripke’s fluttering interest levels.
Yes, this is a show with two stars. I just wish that Kripke would recognize one of them in public for once.
OK if you don’t like the show don’t watch it. I know everyone has there own options but this is just madness.
The show is about two brothers always has been always will be. Give the season ago before you start bashing it.
I have chosen not to let a couple of load annoying fangirls who seem to be upset this show is no longer all about Sam get me down. It is sad to see that some fans could be so hateful towards Jensen and Dean esp Jensen who does fan events is a nice, sweet aweseome person and works so hard torn down because Jared finally has to share the spot and it be more equal as oppose to one brother one destiny.
So far we have
.Kripke saying S4 will largely be about Sam’s Journey.
.His powers are not gone and he will be taken to a dark emotional place in Dean’s absense.
.Sam is getting a new love interest and sex partner.
.Sam’s immunity is still a issue to be dealt with.
.Jared said Sam has a big fight scene and emotional scene in episode 2.
.Kripke, Jensen and Jared all have said we will see more of how Sam dealt with Dean’s death then we will of Dean’s emotions and he went to hell.
Damn for someone being sidelined and ignored Sam sure has alot of stuff next season all of which Jared seems very excited about.
All Dean has is finding out why he came back from hell which may actually give him something more to do then be Sam’s brother just there to support Sam and if we are lucky we may at some point get a glimps of Dean in hell since he has no memory.
As for Dean fans whinning and complaining getting Dean more attention. He should have more attention neaither of the brothers should be so sidelined and ignored and in 4 years this is the first active SL Dean has had of his own and he deserves something. Sam fans are just as guilty of whinning and complaing to get their way and I think it would make Jared sad to see such negatitivy and bitterness towards Jensen from some Sam fans because they do not get their way. I am glade Jensen and Jared have a great friendship and are above that. I think thier is great stuff for Sam and Dean fans but if some fans want to be negative for the sake of complaining I hope you do leave.
I really do not understand why some Sam fans are so against Dean being involved, finally, after 3 years, in the mytharc. Do they feel so threatened by it that they think it’s going to take away from Sam? Sam’s been the center of the storyline for 3 years, all by himself, and yet, Dean is, as someone said, a force all his own that has risen above the sidekick character he was initially supposed to be. This can be credited to Jensen’s great acting and for Kripke to insert him into the mytharc finally is something that is positive.
Some Sam fans do feel they need to watch Smallville 2.0 with Jared playing the part of SuperSam, including powers and being the center of the SNverse. But most of us like that the story is about two brothers and that now the mytharc is including the one that has been truly shunned for the past 3 years.
I also don’t believe it’s the writers, because I know damn well Sam’s been given some very good scripts. His psyche has been delved into and all these Sam fans that have missed it, hey, it’s not Dean’s fault, nor Jensen’s. I can tell you lots about Sam, and I’m a Dean fan. I just don’t focus on Dean as the only one worth watching, nor do I focus on Sam wondering what the heck is doing in this show, as I’m sure some Sam fans are seeing Dean as the interloper of their SuperSam show.I focus on both brothers because that’s what the show is to me. I may love Dean, but I also like Sam. I certainly don’t grudge Sam his right to be on the same screen as Dean. I appreciate that the story involves both and the the story needs both to be told.
This is the best show on tv today! Writing, plot, actors -terrific! We know that JA and JP agreed before the show started that they would stick together and support each other through the show. – Too bad some fans don`t manage this.
Both characters are great!! Portrayed fantastic by Jensen and Jared. I to adore Jensen and he is the main reason why I watch, (I wouldn`t watch without him :)), however It wouldn`t be right without Jared either. Go SP -lets hope for the best season ever!!
I just love reading all these comments, such passion . I loved this show more than any other in over 40years of watching this genre(yes 40 years.) But unfortunately loved is the word, past tense. Eric Kripke and his team have decided to turn this genre on its head, it should now be renamed Resurection. Surely season 4 should wrap things up very quickly because having decided that they can resurect the dead almost at will the only logical way forward is to bring back John, Mary ,Jess and even Bobby’s wife and then everyone can live happily ever after. Who decided that Hell has been demoted to some form of extreme Boot Camp rather than eternal damnation?
The debate over Dean and Sam, are the fans counting the number of lines their favourite has to say. The series has always been about both brothers and they are equally important. I loved them both(two amazing young actors)and I am going to miss them because I don’t think I will be tuning in to Season 4, because I think the show has lost its way and I cant see anyway back for it( SO SAD)
Jane, I’m quite surprised that for someone that’s watched this type of genre for over 40 years is upset over one of the staple of this type of genre.
Yes, both Dean and Sam died and were resurrected, as were many other characters in Sci-Fi/Horror/Fantasy shows. Supernatural is no different. What makes is different for me is the dynamics between the characters and the brothers’ relationship. What they do for each other, how far they will go, and the strong bond that ties them. The bond that can end up either destroying them or saving them. For that I watch the show, otherwise, yes, it would be just another genre show with the same plots.
I have a feeling that season 4 will be the best yet.
But, that’s me. Different strokes and all that. 😀
I’m excited as hell that Dean is FINALLY getting a mytharc storyline I just hope it’s about him and not about just being Sam’s brother or something for Sam. The immature negativty doesn’t bother me anymore, he has a arc now and theres really nothing no one can do about it. I think thats the reason they were against Kirpke sending Dean to hell is they were afaird it would make him a part of Sam’s mytharc or worse give him one of his own and I think thats were the nagative is coming from. I just have the nerve to say it.
After watching the five minute clip I have no doubt whatsoever that Jensen is going to kickass this season as he usually does, and I can’t wait to see what he does next. I saw a glimpse of an season two Dean in that clip and that made me excited even more. Jensen’s excitement hads me excited for the new season as I’m more invested in Dean’s part in the show. Jensen said in a interview some time back that he hopes Dean’s post hell storyline is challenging cause he said he likes challenging himself in his acting and this season sure sounds challenging. Jensen is so damn hot, I swear if it wasn’t for Jensen I wouldn’t even bother watching this show.
Thanks for posting a great article! I adore Jensen and his acting abilities. He is very talented. Good thing he is excited about his character and this season. I am too! I will be excited to see what will happen. Good luck also with MBV!! 🙂
dont stop watching, this show needs all the ratings it can get
Jensen can have half the mytharc – I don’t care. That’s not my main concern.
Sam fans have been complaining of the lack of an emotional arc for a long time, even before the S3.Nothing to do with Dean’s role in the mytharc.
In the past, immature jealous Deangirls have bashed Sam for having what they want Dean to have. So I have come across pretty nasty Sam bashing.
And Sam fans are perfectly entitled to speak up for their favorite.
Thanks for a great article! I am very excited about Season 4!
Since this show is supposed to be about two brothers and their family (as in the fact that they have the same mother and father), I think it’s great that Dean will finally have an active and direct role in the mytharc. The mytharc has been all about Sam for the past 3 seasons, so it just makes sense to bring his brother into the family storyline.
What I don’t get is why the SamFans are upset that Dean is brought in to be an equal in what is a Winchester family story? There’s still a lot that is just about Sam, including but not limited to, his powers, the demons wanting him, Ruby, Lillith, the demon blood from when he was a baby, the fact that Sam knows that Mary’s family is dead, that they YED showed him something about Mary in All Hell Breaks Loose Part II, now how he spent the past 4 months without Dean, and I’m probably forgetting stuff.
“Sam fans have been complaining of the lack of an emotional arc for a long time, even before the S3.Nothing to do with Dean’s role in the mytharc.”
And yet most of what we’ve heard about Sam’s spoilers this season have been about his EMOTIONAL arc. That’s what you want right? So it’s working out for both of them. Dean’s getting a part in the mytharc and they are going to be focusing strongly on Sam’s emotionaly arc.
So unless Sam’s fans have been totally disingenuous all these seasons when they claimed the show was about both boys and that they didn’t want the “Sam Show”, they have NOTHING at all to be upset about here. Sam has everything he had before, he still has his role in the mytharc PLUS he’s going to be getting some real focused emotional development. You don’t hear the Deanfans whining that “Hey Sam’s getting emotional development, that Dean’s” do you?
That’s good right? Unless of course what you really wanted all along was The Sam Winchester Show.
Oh and Jane, seems to me this season is definitely getting back to focusing on the brother’s relationship. Remember during Season 1 it wasn’t all lovey dovey all the time. They had conflicts. The show will similarly be focusing on them trying to find their way back to their comfort levels with each other.
So again, it’s disingenuous to say that them being resurrected is somehow out of place in a genre show. Once they went there with Sam last season in AHBL2, you had to know it wasn’t going to be the last time. Once that door it opened it’s always going to be used at least once more. The one single thing that’s changed is that Dean’s gotten a role of his own in the mytharc that is beyond just being Sam’s brother. Every thing else is the same except that they do seem to be getting back to focusing on Dean and Sam’s relationship to each other.
Wow the SamFans just cannot deal with the fact that this didn’t turn out to be The Sam Show that you were all so confident of season 1 when SammySue ruled. Too bad for you I guess. Suck it up or quite watching. Just stop trying to ruin it for everyone else.
Kripke’s going to do what he thinks is best for the show regardless of all the screeching on both sides. I’m along for the ride and I can’t wait for the new season to start.
Faith, Nightshifter, Hollywood Babylon and Jus In Belo were some of my favorite episodes. So I have no problem with Ben or Sera’s writing. Also I usually love the episodes written by Kripke. Devil’s Trap, IMTOD and NRFTW were some of the best of the entire series. Raelle’s WIAWSNB is probably my all time favorite. So yeah I think overall, this show has a pretty good stable of writers and I’m really looking forward to what they are planning for next season.
Also please stop the whining. The show is is just getting better and better and both boys are at the top of their game acting wise. Especially Jensen who is going to knock it out of the park this season.
i love this show since the start. i never miss an episode. jensen i love you even if my husband doesn’t like it he he he. keep up the good work can’t wait for it to start.
I have read this page from top to bottom. Taking in everything that everyone has to say and to be honest I can’t even believe it. I sit here at 3:24 in the morning in horror. My show is being bashed, torn apart and hated on and the people who are doing it aren’t those who have seen a handful of episodes and just decided they hate the show, but are true fans. Who like me have probably watched every episode many time and could quote them. After reading some of these things I was about to pull my hair out.
People on here are saying that they are just whining and bitching for the show’s sake. Are you freakin’ kidding me? There is a difference between having an opinion about the show with suggestions of what can be improved and totally ripping it and the people who write for it apart. Have your opinions, yes but there in no need for people to say that they hate these writers and Eric, because newsflash if it wasn’t for him creating the show and casting Jensen and Jared as our Winchester boys we wouldn’t even have the privilage of watching this amazing show every Thursday.
And for those who are going to stop watching just because of the first five minutes of season 4, good. If you are so close-minded that you think the entire story will be about Dean from those five minutues alone you must be out of your mind and shouldn’t be watching anyway. It was a rough cut and you are judging it already?
This show has always been about the 2 brothers and Sam the favored one. All about his journey with the YED, his abilities, and having to lose Dean. Up to the season 3 finale it has been about him. Now it’s Dean’s turn to get a little time in the spotlight and people are saying that he is going to steal show. There is no stealing going on. Both brothers are just as much apart of it as before but Sam is taking a backseat for a while.
Kripke throwing out story lines like the special children is not entirely true, as far as we know Sam still has “powers” and all of those kids were connected with the YED. Now that he is dead (after making an exit at an appropriate time not overstretching that story arc) there wasn’t much else to go on after that. It wasn’t prominent to the story of Sam and Dean anymore.
Also the season premiere clip isn’t the only thing we have heard about season 4. There are tons of other things going on that involve both brothers, not only favoring Dean this season. A lot is said about how Sam is dealing with his death and how their relationship will change. The key word is “their.” It takes 2 people to have a relationship so Sam is going to be just as much a part of the show as he always has been.
As for Kripke responding only to Deangirls, untrue. All of you people on here saying that you hated Bela, Ruby, and Jo and them being on the show was horrible are pretty damn happy now that they are gone. The person responsible for the killoff and writeouts are Eric and company. He obviously listened to you as well.
I haven’t liked every episode that they have ever made but this is my show. I’ve watched it from the very first night it aired in 2005. It has changed a lot from the first season but no everything can stay the same. No doubt a story line of the boys meeting no other hunters and having them chasing the YED for the entire series would be a bore. Introducing new characters is important and crucial for the show to not be repetative. Kripke has not always done things that I like on the show, Jo for example ruined episodes for me but I still watch. I still love my show and would never resort to bitching about it to try to make it better. That does nothing and just makes you look unappreciative for the good episodes that we have gotten.
There is no doubt in my mind that season 4 will not be a dissapointment. I like to see different things on the show, but to me it always at the end of the day keeps the roots of the story in 2 brothers relationship. I love both Sam and Dean and know that the show would not be the same without either of them. Jensen does a great job as Dean and Jared as Sam.
The CW does nothing to help the show in any way. There are the assholes who don’t care about the great show that Supernatural is. They do nothing to promote it and only care about their money makers. Personally it makes me sick. I’m so proud of this show and I can’t wait for September 18th.
Have just watched the final ep of series three, and HAD to make sure there was a season 4!! IM STOKED! Just bought a huge plasma, so will be going back to series one, hope the new ones are out by the time I finish. Best show of all time, for those of you knocking it on this forum, why even bother?!
Wow. having recently discovered this show, and hoping to get some fan based background, beyond the usual press releases, I’ve got to say I’m firmly staying off the boards, never ever ever expressing an opinion ever to anyone, in any format ever about this show, and will just enjoy what happens. In quiet. Possibly at 3am . When no one knows I’m watching it. For fear I’ll like or dislike the wrong aspect of the show. Please, understand, I enjoy a good debate. Just not one with name calling.
Or a debate filled with mindless love/hate comments.
so i was a little disappointed with the 5 minute preview for season four they showed at comic con. speaking of all the people who posted above me comparing the show to later seasons of buffy….how about dean waking up in his coffin and digging his way out of his grave as a buffy comparison? im not sure how many of you watched all the eps of buffy, but the first two eps of season six involved exactly the same plotline…buffy coming back from an unknown dimension and digging out of her own grave. i expected the writers of supernatural to come up with something a little different considering that’s been done before.
i’m still excited for the 4th season tho.
SPN in my opinion is the best thing on TV right now. Good writing, Great Acting!!! What more could a viewer want. Maybe there are other shows that viewers like better. But for me SPN is it! It is the only show that I have bought all of the DVDs for and probably ever will, and that is saying something considering my other favorites are LOST,and Heroes.
And at the risk of dating myself I didn’t get any of the Quantum Leap DVDs and I actually thought in its day it too was one of the best things on TV. Any way its only my opinion and I know everyone won’t agree with it, and of course they don’t have to. : ) However I really enjoy reading eveyones opinion, and
cant’t help but think if there wasn’t something to SPN there wouldn’t be any discussion GOOD, BAD, or Otherwise. Marking the days until 9-18-08.
1.Good Writing
2.Awesome Acting
3.Dynamic bro. relationship
4.Great premise
5.With the exception of those
who must not be named
there have been a few
stong/intersting female
characters in some epis.
Wendigo, Heart,Benders,
Scarecrow, All Hells…
are the ones that come to
mind the.
6.Yeah I’ll admit it this 50+
fan thinks that J2 are HOT!
and yes I do have a life.
and I do watch SPN for more
than that.
I know season four is gonna ROCK!
I was at my SPN board and I hear this lie that can’t possibly be true. Am I hearing right? Are there people who exist out in the world that hate this beautiful show? And is so may I ask why?